Trans guys who are yelling do you want a strapping MAN like ME in the WOMEN’S bathroom??? Are making an argument that harms trans and gender nonconforming people.
— Nathan rd (@rochellehd) April 6, 2023
The entire point is literally that you should not need to pass an eyeball test to piss.
aha @jessphillips big solution to the entirely imaginary problem of trans women using the ladies room is segregation — she also threw asian women in there for some reason.
— ֆʟօǟռɛ-ʟʏֆɮɛȶɦ (@SloaneFragment) April 6, 2023
unrelated: you know how everyone keeps pointing out that 'gender critical' is a white supremacist ideology?
Self ID to get a gender recognition certificate makes no difference at all to who can enter single sex spaces. And even it did it's not the main problem women face today. https://t.co/WkKqLxvMqZ
— SpeakOutSister (@speakoutsister) October 8, 2022
i keep seeing "you're going to force TRANS MEN to use the women's room??? you want THIS MAN in the women's room????" tweets lately and i just want to say the shift to "actually it's trans men who can't be trusted around women" is not super cool either like it's also transphobia
— aarón (@transmutanthood) April 6, 2023
a lot of those posts also concede to the narrative that masc people in women's bathrooms ARE threatening to cis women. instead of asking cis women to re-evaluate this sentiment, they just claims that THIS PARTICULAR masc person is the one that should be kept out of the women's
— aarón (@transmutanthood) April 6, 2023
"but it points out hypocrisy in their reasoning!"
— aarón (@transmutanthood) April 6, 2023
they don't care. they're not shocked or surprised. their wheels won't start turning bc they KNOW legislation does not keep trans people out of women's bathrooms. you're not "making them see" anything they didn't already know
In June 2023, I saw a Twitter thread in which "Jake"-bunch-of-numbers expressed concern that "anyone can fake being trans" which would then cause two problems: they could "gain access to women only spaces and commit a crime" and it would "be recorded as a trans-crime when [in fact] no transperson had been involved". His conclusion: "there should be a verification process," and so he opposes "self ID" (i.e., the policy, as it is especially known in the UK, that people are whatever gender they say are, and trans people don't need to carry around approval).
What would the purpose of the verification process be? "To eliminate abusers." It wasn't clear if he meant eliminating direct crime toward someone in the bathroom (and how different ID cards for trans people would prevent crime) or the subsequent, collective, more abstract harm that would be caused to all trans people as a result of the cis criminal lying about being trans.
The possibility is that cis men could disguise themselves as trans women: "it is an opportunity" for them.
He clarified: "A whole class of people would have rights to enter women only spaces after a one time verification before officially transitioning." He added (without evidence) that "the vast majority of trans-women would have no problem obtaining" the verification, and consequently, "the opportunity for abuse is removed" (still, it isn't clear what abuse he means, as above).
If trans women aren't the problem (which he admits), then making trans women carry around blue verification checkmarks isn't going to do anything to stop cis men, who can also print out a blue verification checkmark and show it at the blue verification checkmark checkpoint.
Anyhow, I wrote more about him here:
Please read my article "How the bathroom verification cards would work". It's an 8-minute read on Medium.
Bathroom bans hurt cis people too. A cis person being harassed in a Walmart bathroom, 2016
In 1998, homophobes made the same "arguments" about gay people
Look here. It's the same hateful nonsense rhetoric:
Cis gay people do speak up for trans people, and face heavy criticism by transphobes when they do so.
Thinking about this for no particular reason tonight, other than the fact that we need to have longer collective memories.
— Jessica Kant (@jessdkant.bsky.social) November 20, 2024 at 10:21 PM
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