Gift link to the NYT focus group:
these focus groups are really a good reminder that undecided voters are people who don’t actually care about politics
— jamelle (@jamellebouie.net) September 17, 2024 at 4:23 PM
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Yes, the undecided voter would have to not care about politics at all...
...which in practice translates to not perceiving any personal risk from a Trump presidency, nor caring whether anyone else suffers a risk from a Trump presidency, and thus already leaning Trumpist.
The average 23 yo women who is still undecided at this point would have to be very conservative, wouldn't she?
— Shadow Hedgie 🌻 (@shadowhedgie8.bsky.social) September 17, 2024 at 3:55 PM
wealthy and otherwise insulated from having to interact from people who have been and stand to be materially harmed by conservative politics...yeah, tracks
— Tyrone Slothrust (@yesreallyj.bsky.social) September 17, 2024 at 4:45 PM
If they're already essentially Trumpist yet haven't decided (after nine years! with two months to go!) whether to vote for Trump, their inability to decide isn't due to a lack of available information.
What is the point of these interviews with "undecided" voters, to whom no amount of delivered information will help them decide?
— Sarah Posner (@sarahposner.bsky.social) September 17, 2024 at 4:49 PM
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Frank Luntz, known for developing Republican messaging like "death tax instead of estate tax, and climate change instead of global warming" (Wikipedia), chose participants for a focus group. He and Patrick Healy, NYT deputy Opinion editor, moderated the discussion. The NYT paid Luntz.
call me crazy but i do not believe that a 23 year old who is outraged about the treatment of **Mitt Romney** in 2012 is an “undecided voter”
— Peter (@notalawyer.bsky.social) September 17, 2024 at 2:50 PM
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All the kids were saying "Romney's 47% quote was taken badly out of context!" around the Pokemon table at the card shop
— Doctor Acula (@doctoracularf.bsky.social) September 17, 2024 at 2:51 PM
It’s me, a 24 year old deciding how I’m going to vote in 2004 based on my deeply held opinions of the Willie Horton ad.
— Jonathan M. Katz (@katzonearth.bsky.social) September 17, 2024 at 4:54 PM
I’m 43 and enraged at how Bork was treated. Incensed even. Also undecided.
— smoketypething.bsky.social (@smoketypething.bsky.social) September 17, 2024 at 2:51 PM
Here's Robert Bork in the 1973 Saturday Night Massacre, if you're 43 and don't know. During the Watergate scandal, President Nixon ordered Watergate Special Prosecutor Archibald Cox to be fired, which two officials resigned rather than do, but Bork, as the third in line, complied with Nixon's order and fired Cox. He said Nixon had expressed willingness to nominate him as Supreme Court Justice, though this never happened. He went on to be a federal judge on the DC circuit.
INT. McLean, Virginia living room, November 2012 An 11-year-old ABIGAIL sits on the couch, tears streaming down her face as Barack Obama claims victory
— emma (@emmaroller.bsky.social) September 17, 2024 at 2:53 PM
on top of the clear ideological tilt, this is a grad student who speaks like she is very engaged with politics. if you can’t clock this little rat fuck as an op you shouldn’t be running focus groups.
— Peter (@notalawyer.bsky.social) September 17, 2024 at 3:35 PM
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"Op," as in "operative." This supposed focus group sounds like a psyop. Previously, I wrote: 4 psyops not to fall for
Gonna interject on behalf of everyone to point out that Harris hasn't specifically mentioned trans people in her campaign yet lmfao
— Katelyn Burns (@transscribe.bsky.social) September 17, 2024 at 3:38 PM
Right — exactly what is it that Harris has supposedly said about "transgenderism"? Since her campaign began on July 21, apparently nothing. You have to go back in time to find "when Kamala Harris says something" about trans people.
"Abigail" is suggesting here that she herself may not care about policies about trans people per se; she cares whether a candidate has a "character" that is "moderate" and not "extreme," and she perceives statements about trans people as a symbol of extremism in other areas.
Of course, even when Harris says nothing whatsoever about trans people, Republicans will talk about her as if she said something, and thus impute "extremism" to her.
Just as Trump — just by saying so on a debate stage — can make half of his supporters believe an absurdly offensive rumor about a particular immigrant community, he can make his supporters believe that Harris said something about trans people even when she is standing right next to him on the debate stage not saying it.
Now this
on those days when i am feeling blackpilled it is because i am dwelling on the fact that a lot of americans — and, potentially, a critical number of american voters — experience political life with a high degree of ironic detachment, as if it’s all just a television show
— jamelle (@jamellebouie.net) September 24, 2024 at 9:31 PM
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NYT doesn't get an interview
a significant part of the NYT’s problem specifically, I think, is that Astead Herndon absolutely shat the bed when he interviewed her in 2023 and there is no external evidence that NYT has even really attempted fence-mending since
— ghost malone ergo propter malone (@proptermalone.bsky.social) October 7, 2024 at 9:12 AM
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Still at it, now on NPR
NPR currently running a five minute “won’t somebody think of the men” piece, saying that more men vote for Trump bc the left just doesn’t do enough to cater to them, not bc they’re racist or sexist. This came from a focus group of what sounded like a bunch of really whiny, entitled dudes. 🙄
— Cass Morris (@cassmorriswrites.com) November 1, 2024 at 7:20 AM
To be clear, I don't mind NPR doing stories like this because they reinforce my own belief that there are assholecin the world who need to be opposed. Here's the link, if you can stand it: www.npr.org/2024/11/01/n...
— Chris Barkley (@cmzhang42.bsky.social) November 1, 2024 at 7:37 AM
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Ohhh, it's Frank Luntz, messaging guy for Republicans. A couple months ago, he chose participants for a focus group ("These 14 Undecided Young Voters"... NYT, Sep 17) including a 23-year-old "Abigail" allegedly still mad that Democrats talked mean about Mitt Romney and John McCain when she was 11.
— Tucker Lieberman (@tuckerlieberman.bsky.social) November 1, 2024 at 7:46 AM
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